Welcome to the new TB forum!

Hi,
Will the old searchable posts ever be available again? There was an amazing amount of info there which accumulated over many years. I'm sure a lot of this would be of interest and help to some of the newcomers to the forum.

And has anything turned up regarding John Arscott? I do hope he is well. His posts and input was always a major feature because of his extensive knowledge and experience with True Basic. Especially now that a lot of the new queries concern v.6 which probably only he could answer.

Regards,
Mike C.

TrueBasic update didn`t install correctly. What can I do to fix it?

Downloaded the TB manual. Now what can I do with a 668 page text file?

Too big to read, too big to print.

Roger

Hello rogerh

You're right - too long to read. I was lucky to receive a hard copy manual with Silver quite a few years ago, and even that was awkward to find stuff in because the index is poorly written.

I don't understand why in the world they keep trying to make TB "install-able". It didn't use to need "installing". All that was necessary was to copy all the files off the CD and just run them. The old TB Editor exe that came with V5 and earlier, and the TB System exe, could be put ANYWHERE and double-clicked to run. You can still do that with the v6.007; I put everything on a secondary drive, on thumb drives, or anywhere else. There seems to be some kind of problem with the "New" editor that gives people grief, but I have now tried that v6.007 version (on a Win 7) and it sorta works ok. But I just simply prefer using a free 3rd-party modern text editor, and just operate with the TB Sysyem.exe. TB v6 downloads with both the V5.3 and v.5.5 TB Ssysem. When you go to bind a program into an EXE, it offers you the choice as to which System version to use.

Now what this means is that the editor has nothing really to do with the binding (other than maybe have some exasperating error pop up), and basically you are binding with older TB System EXE's which are quite old by now, but do work. The main difference between the V5.3 and the V5.5 System is that the latter does not require that the famous dll's have to tag along with the bound EXE. The 5.3 System requires them. But the bad part is that there are a few bugs in the v5.5 which cause some program to not work right even though they work OK with the v5.3.

So what I do is:
Use a 3d party text editor to compose the code and save it (as .tru or .txt, or .anything for that matter)

Then run it with the "old" editor (which is now not apparently available unless you buy one of the "legacy" old editions of TB , e.g., Silver for $45, or Gold $145); which editor will invoke the v5.5 System.EXE to bind with.

OR: Run the [program using the TB System.EXE v.5.3, which is robust, which I have because procured years ago.

Then I try to run the program with the v5.5 System. If it runs OK, I'll bind it with that version to circumvent having to have the dll's ALWAYS present with the bound EXE.

If it can't be made to run with the 5.5 System due its quirks and bugs, then I have to bind it with the v5.3 and be saddled with transporting the dll's around everywhere with the EXE.

None of the above involves using the v6 editor. All you need is the TBlibs, and the System EXE's. If you get the legacy versions I think you get the v5.5 Sytem.

So, I don't know what might have happened to your "installation". But look to see if you can find the TBlibs and the 2 System.EXE's. If you have those, just copy them off somewhere save and follow the above procedure. It should work.

Now, as to reading through the enormous manual, you won't find anything about your intalling problem. It mostly just tells all about the various features and more or less how to work them, etc. The only nice part is that as a PDF file you can search for what you want. Still a bit tedious however.

If you are "new" to True Basic, and need some specific question answered about how to do some specificc coding thing, I could probably help. The other guys, like BigJohn Arscott and Dr. "rtarara", who used to frequent this forum in the past, would probably have had more answers to your current problem, but they have not been around lately.

Anyway, hope this helps a little.

Regards,
Mike C.

Might you use strings to read the data and convert the strings later?

I wouldn't know how to do that.

I have a question of my own. I use TBSilver to create computer graphics and need to generate much larger plots. At the moment, my program generates about half a dozen plots of various functions defined over the intervals of a musical scale as their tuning varies. The program does this at 360,000 points and generates a roughly 6 x 6 inch square polychrome plot of each function. I have been exhibiting these plots at various art shows and galleries in the San Diego, CA area, but viewers would like something like 2 x 2 ft square graphics and merely blowing them up at a print shop generates rather unacceptably jaggy pictures, particularly when the plots have a lot of oblique lines separating colored zones. If I were to increase the size of the arrays to be printed from 600 x 600 points to something like 2400 x 2400 (and modify the program so it computes only 1 or 2 per run). would it work? I would ignore the picture on my computer screen and transmit the picture directly to the print shop as a BMP or PDF file. Is this idea feasible?

I assume that you have a file called "rogerh.txt" which looks as follows:

2006-01-02,17,23,49,56.870,-12.475,166.508,16,6.1

You would need the String library so you might need the Silver edition (I use Gold 6.0 on Windows 11)

LIBRARY "StrLib.trc"

DIM item$(1 TO 9)

OPEN #1: NAME "rogerh.txt"
DO WHILE MORE #1
LINE INPUT #1: line$
PRINT line$
CALL Explode(line$, item$(), ",")
LET mydate$ = item$(1)
LET number1 = VAL(item$(2))
LET number2 = VAL(item$(3))
LET number3 = VAL(item$(4))
LET number4 = VAL(item$(5))
LET number5 = VAL(item$(6))
LET number6 = VAL(item$(7))
LET number7 = VAL(item$(8))
LET number8 = VAL(item$(9))
PRINT mydate$, number1, number2, number3, number4, number5, number6, number7, number8
LOOP

CALL Tbexitroutine ! Wait for mouse click or key pressed
END

You can see that mydate$ contains the line's date and that number4 contains the 4th number, for example.

rogerh
Hello Rogerh

I take it that you have a file "xxx.txt" consisting of "several thousand" LINES, each of the type:

"2006-01-02,17,23,49,56.870,-12.475,166.508,16,6.1" with each such "line" ending in an end-of-line character, (CHR$(13)&CHR$(10))

and that you wish to open this as an array with "thousands" of rows, each row having nine columns consisting of the 9 items that are delimited with "," as in the format you show.

This essentially amounts to opening a comma-delimited csv file. There are several ways to do this. The STRING.LIB is not needed although it can be used, as "xbones" suggested in his recent response.

This type problem has arisen previously a couple of times on the "old" forum, where I offered my solution to this sort of problem.

I have a subroutine called: "SUB Load_CSV_2_Array(path$,filena$,d$(,))", which returns the array d$(nrows,ncols), and the delimiter of the specified file.

It automatically determines the delimiter and the number of rows and columns. The delimiter can be ANYTHING OTHER THAN one of these characters:

chr$(34)& "-=+*&^%$#@!{}[]:;'<>.?/~`abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ1234567890"

Therefore it will not trip over the hyphens in your example.

One just DIMS the array d$(0,0) in your calling program and then sends the path and filename in as argumentss. You can just tack the SUB onto your program as an external sub (i.e., after the END statement), then just call it and then process the returned array d$(,) as desired.

I'll be glad to email it to you along with a small program demonstrating it if you wish. Posting programs on this forum is too clumsy because the formatting gets all messed up and makes things confusing.

Regards, Mike C.

Hi all;

I'm back after a long health issue during which I forgot how to program. I just recently discovered that TB is not installed but simply copied onto the HD. Now I find it doesn't like Windows 10.

What can I do without spending big bucks I don't have?

Roger

Thanks Mike;

Just copying the cd into the hard disk was the answer. It was too long ago that I had done it to remember
how to do it. I mean at my age, yesterday is dim enough; years ago is GONE!

As far as I knew, EVERTHING has to be installed.

Roger

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